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  New York Bethel Bus Trip & MET Tour

  by What Now? in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have any of you been on this tour before ... specifically the met tour?.

  some of my family went on this trip recently and everyone i know that has gone on it before has been "blown away" by the special witness tour of the met, specicfically the "woman and the seed" tour.

  anyone have any details?

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  Narcissistic Supply

  It's a METH tour. They make you smoke it...
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  Simple Signs That Cause Jehovah's Witnesses To Lose Morale (Faith In The Governing Body Corporation Kings)

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good way to get the jws doubting corporation leadership, is lower their morale in the governing body.

  pointing out their stupidity, authoritarianism, delusions of grandure, and the depts of their wishful thinking bias done in such a way to overide watchtower inplanted prejudice.. highlighting the phobias they have of apostates, their attitude toward children as nothing more that corporation free labor denying them education and handing them over to pedofiles in the congregation be they elders or microphone handlelers.. signs about doctrinal issues are a waste of time but i can't deny that some may benifit but that's just getting them out of one cult and making them pray for another.

  anyway the bible is too full of shit to argue doctrine, much better to stay away from it and proceed to spend more time get oneself free from that residual mind control you're still clinging to that's based in the bible.. what are your ideas?.

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  Good luck reasoning w/ a toddler.. Trying to teach a narcissist is like trying to educate a 4 year old. They feel comfortable with ALL OUT AMBIENT ABUSE and Gaslighting. It's what they know.
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  New system school K-12 JWs only school

  by dogon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.newsystemschool.org.

  i ran acorss this on fb.

  its a school that is just for jws.

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  RE: "free personal pan pizza"

  LMAO!!!!
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  Elder's attitude to dating a non-believer vs acting like a Christian

  by ItsMyLife in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i've not been on here for quite some time, due to personal reasons.. i have been dating a wonderful man for nearly 11 months now.

  he's a non-practicing cofe christian.

  i am a recently inactive jw (oh, how i regret getting baptized at 15).. my dad is an elder.

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  Narcissistic Supply

  It's only starting for that nice guy of yours.....http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_ambient_or_stealth_abuse

  Ambient abuse is the stealth, subtle, underground currents of maltreatment that sometimes go unnoticed even by the victims themselves, until it is too late. Ambient abuse penetrates and permeates everything - but is difficult to pinpoint and identify. It is ambiguous, atmospheric, diffuse. Hence its insidious and pernicious effects. It is by far the most dangerous kind of abuse there is.
  It is the outcome of fear - fear of violence, fear of the unknown, fear of the unpredictable, the capricious, and the arbitrary. It is perpetrated by dropping subtle hints, by disorienting, by constant - and unnecessary - lying, by persistent doubting and demeaning, and by inspiring an air of unmitigated gloom and doom ("gaslighting").
  Ambient abuse, therefore, is the fostering, propagation, and enhancement of an atmosphere of fear, intimidation, instability, unpredictability and irritation. There are no acts of traceable explicit abuse, nor any manipulative settings of control. Yet, the irksome feeling remains, a disagreeable foreboding, a premonition, a bad omen.
  In the long term, such an environment erodes the victim's sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Self-confidence is shaken badly. Often, the victim adopts a paranoid or schizoid stance and thus renders himself or herself exposed even more to criticism and judgment. The roles are thus reversed: the victim is considered mentally deranged and the abuser - the suffering soul.
  There are five categories of ambient abuse and they are often combined in the conduct of a single abuser:
  I. Inducing Disorientation
  The abuser causes the victim to lose faith in her ability to manage and to cope with the world and its demands. She no longer trusts her senses, her skills, her strengths, her friends, her family, and the predictability and benevolence of her environment.
  The abuser subverts the target's focus by disagreeing with her way of perceiving the world, her judgment, the facts of her existence, by criticizing her incessantly - and by offering plausible but specious alternatives. By constantly lying, he blurs the line between reality and nightmare.
  By recurrently disapproving of her choices and actions - the abuser shreds the victim's self-confidence and shatters her self-esteem. By reacting disproportionately to the slightest "mistake" - he intimidates her to the point of paralysis.
  II. Incapacitating
  The abuser gradually and surreptitiously takes over functions and chores previously adequately and skillfully performed by the victim. The prey finds itself isolated from the outer world, a hostage to the goodwill - or, more often, ill-will - of her captor. She is crippled by his encroachment and by the inexorable dissolution of her boundaries and ends up totally dependent on her tormentor's whims and desires, plans and stratagems.
  Moreover, the abuser engineers impossible, dangerous, unpredictable, unprecedented, or highly specific situations in which he is sorely needed. The abuser makes sure that his knowledge, his skills, his connections, or his traits are the only ones applicable and the most useful in the situations that he, himself, wrought. The abuser generates his own indispensability.
  III. Shared Psychosis (Follies-a-Deux)
  The abuser creates a fantasy world, inhabited by the victim and himself, and besieged by imaginary enemies. He allocates to the abused the role of defending this invented and unreal Universe. She must swear to secrecy, stand by her abuser no matter what, lie, fight, pretend, obfuscate and do whatever else it takes to preserve this oasis of inanity.
  Her membership in the abuser's "kingdom" is cast as a privilege and a prize. But it is not to be taken for granted. She has to work hard to earn her continued affiliation. She is constantly being tested and evaluated. Inevitably, this interminable stress reduces the victim's resistance and her ability to "see straight".
  IV. Abuse of Information
  From the first moments of an encounter with another person, the abuser is on the prowl. He collects information. The more he knows about his potential victim - the better able he is to coerce, manipulate, charm, extort or convert it "to the cause". The abuser does not hesitate to misuse the information he gleans, regardless of its intimate nature or the circumstances in which he obtained it. This is a powerful tool in his armory.
  V. Control by Proxy
  If all else fails, the abuser recruits friends, colleagues, mates, family members, the authorities, institutions, neighbours, the media, teachers - in short, third parties - to do his bidding. He uses them to cajole, coerce, threaten, stalk, offer, retreat, tempt, convince, harass, communicate and otherwise manipulate his target. He controls these unaware instruments exactly as he plans to control his ultimate prey. He employs the same mechanisms and devices. And he dumps his props unceremoniously when the job is done.
  Another form of control by proxy is to engineer situations in which abuse is inflicted upon another person. Such carefully crafted scenarios of embarrassment and humiliation provoke social sanctions (condemnation, opprobrium, or even physical punishment) against the victim. Society, or a social group become the instruments of the abuser.
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  Oh the irony!

  by Captain Blithering in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hahaa, ive gotta do a demo this week about responding to the question 'are jw's false prophets'?

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  shall i throw in a couple more arguments than the o es i'm given?......

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  Narcissistic Supply

  I would start out with: "I've been asked to give a talk on if Jw's are false prophets.....But the question that totally burns in my soul ........ Are Jehovah witness a dangerous cult. And the answer is Yes.

  And sit down.
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  What is Ambient Abuse or Stealth Abuse?

  by Narcissistic Supply in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://wiki.answers.com/q/what_is_ambient_or_stealth_abuse.

  this is a very tricky tactic used by an abusive person to make you crazy.

  since ambient abuse can not sometimes be visible the victim may believe they are so bad and or are going nuts.

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  Narcissistic Supply

  http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_ambient_or_stealth_abuse

  This is a very tricky tactic used by an abusive person to make you crazy. Since ambient abuse can not sometimes be visible the victim may believe they are so bad and or are going nuts. The abuser may want to isolate their victim from other people as they provide the partner with reality checks such as feedback and reference points. Since their main goal is to de-stabalize the victim's reality they try to ruin these "outside influences." They may gossip about their partner to people in a manipulative manner such as pretending to be concerned for their well being as their partner is acting a little nuts. They wont give there self away to other people, they are calculated in their interactions. People may start to wonder about the partner as the ambient abuser fills their minds with distortions and the abuser apparently my come across as a nice person.

  Ambient abuse is the stealth, subtle, underground currents of maltreatment that sometimes go unnoticed even by the victims themselves, until it is too late. Ambient abuse penetrates and permeates everything - but is difficult to pinpoint and identify. It is ambiguous, atmospheric, diffuse. Hence its insidious and pernicious effects. It is by far the most dangerous kind of abuse there is.
  It is the outcome of fear - fear of violence, fear of the unknown, fear of the unpredictable, the capricious, and the arbitrary. It is perpetrated by dropping subtle hints, by disorienting, by constant - and unnecessary - lying, by persistent doubting and demeaning, and by inspiring an air of unmitigated gloom and doom ("gaslighting").
  Ambient abuse, therefore, is the fostering, propagation, and enhancement of an atmosphere of fear, intimidation, instability, unpredictability and irritation. There are no acts of traceable explicit abuse, nor any manipulative settings of control. Yet, the irksome feeling remains, a disagreeable foreboding, a premonition, a bad omen.
  In the long term, such an environment erodes the victim's sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Self-confidence is shaken badly. Often, the victim adopts a paranoid or schizoid stance and thus renders himself or herself exposed even more to criticism and judgment. The roles are thus reversed: the victim is considered mentally deranged and the abuser - the suffering soul.
  There are five categories of ambient abuse and they are often combined in the conduct of a single abuser:
  I. Inducing Disorientation
  The abuser causes the victim to lose faith in her ability to manage and to cope with the world and its demands. She no longer trusts her senses, her skills, her strengths, her friends, her family, and the predictability and benevolence of her environment.
  The abuser subverts the target's focus by disagreeing with her way of perceiving the world, her judgment, the facts of her existence, by criticizing her incessantly - and by offering plausible but specious alternatives. By constantly lying, he blurs the line between reality and nightmare.
  By recurrently disapproving of her choices and actions - the abuser shreds the victim's self-confidence and shatters her self-esteem. By reacting disproportionately to the slightest "mistake" - he intimidates her to the point of paralysis.
  II. Incapacitating
  The abuser gradually and surreptitiously takes over functions and chores previously adequately and skillfully performed by the victim. The prey finds itself isolated from the outer world, a hostage to the goodwill - or, more often, ill-will - of her captor. She is crippled by his encroachment and by the inexorable dissolution of her boundaries and ends up totally dependent on her tormentor's whims and desires, plans and stratagems.
  Moreover, the abuser engineers impossible, dangerous, unpredictable, unprecedented, or highly specific situations in which he is sorely needed. The abuser makes sure that his knowledge, his skills, his connections, or his traits are the only ones applicable and the most useful in the situations that he, himself, wrought. The abuser generates his own indispensability.
  III. Shared Psychosis (Follies-a-Deux)
  The abuser creates a fantasy world, inhabited by the victim and himself, and besieged by imaginary enemies. He allocates to the abused the role of defending this invented and unreal Universe. She must swear to secrecy, stand by her abuser no matter what, lie, fight, pretend, obfuscate and do whatever else it takes to preserve this oasis of inanity.
  Her membership in the abuser's "kingdom" is cast as a privilege and a prize. But it is not to be taken for granted. She has to work hard to earn her continued affiliation. She is constantly being tested and evaluated. Inevitably, this interminable stress reduces the victim's resistance and her ability to "see straight".
  IV. Abuse of Information
  From the first moments of an encounter with another person, the abuser is on the prowl. He collects information. The more he knows about his potential victim - the better able he is to coerce, manipulate, charm, extort or convert it "to the cause". The abuser does not hesitate to misuse the information he gleans, regardless of its intimate nature or the circumstances in which he obtained it. This is a powerful tool in his armory.
  V. Control by Proxy
  If all else fails, the abuser recruits friends, colleagues, mates, family members, the authorities, institutions, neighbours, the media, teachers - in short, third parties - to do his bidding. He uses them to cajole, coerce, threaten, stalk, offer, retreat, tempt, convince, harass, communicate and otherwise manipulate his target. He controls these unaware instruments exactly as he plans to control his ultimate prey. He employs the same mechanisms and devices. And he dumps his props unceremoniously when the job is done.
  Another form of control by proxy is to engineer situations in which abuse is inflicted upon another person. Such carefully crafted scenarios of embarrassment and humiliation provoke social sanctions (condemnation, opprobrium, or even physical punishment) against the victim. Society, or a social group become the instruments of the abuser.
  
  Addendum (by a different poster) VI. Cliques of Bullies
  Of course, ambient or stealth abuse and manipulation can exist in the context of any kind of relationship and intimacy whatsoever. However, sly abuse of power and underhanded manipulation, with bizarre paranoid malicious gossip and all manner of Sadistic instigators and their eager and foolish proxy pawns, are only all the easier given distance, even shunning and social isolation as experienced by targets of relational bullying and harassment, scapegoats, dissidents and whistleblowers.
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  New Light related to Watchtower Society Isolation closing the shop? A scenario

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was thinking about the next scenario:.

  the united states (and western world) are losing influence compared to china, india and other new economy's.. with this decline of influence, the watchtower society, a true american religion and it's subsidiary's corporations are losing profits and losing it's base in much country's under china / india / indonesia / brazil influence.

  what i see is that the watchtower society is selling it's main assets: landmark buildings in optimal condition.

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  SkinnedSheep, yes they are running a real estate laundering business that masquarades as a religion. But the captives/victims have been carpetbombed with gaslighting and ambient abuse and not capable of fighting back; or even thinking clearly.
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  If you were to protest an Assembly what would you put on your placard ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since this topic of protesting assemblies recently came up, i was wondering .

  what would be the some of the most proficient and perhaps strongest message.

  to place on a placard to show as the people arrived at the venue.

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  Good Job Jake. I like it!!

  Shun This!!!
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  Is The WTS Building Beth Sarim 2 ?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i continue to puzzle over the future direction the watchtower is taking.

  it seems very strange.. let's review: they are selling everything off in brooklyn, raking in huge sums from that real estate and building heavily in a fairly isolated part of upstate ny.. why?.

  it may be classified as a country club (legally).

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  Yes. The business model seems total whack. They are building monster infrastracture for what?? To adminstrate their world wide real estate laundering???? What product are they selling. Sounds like Enron . Where is the cash flow to support all these gold plated toilets???
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  MUST SEE VIDEO: "Read God's Word the Bible Daily" sign removed from Brooklyn, NY Watchtower Bldgs

  by disfellowshipped1 in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://tmblr.co/zsx0ostmun3w.

  hundreds were present in brooklyn to see this event..

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  800 Million in real estate is a lot of Laundering...... I saw Trump university was getting sued by the New York Attorney general for Fraud. Just sayin'

  Edit: It's too bad that the people bilked at baptism with a bait and switch can't have a class action lawsuit and get reimbursed something for all the time they put in as employees helping the POS corporation pay off real estate. It's too bad they can't get classified as employees and the state of new york could have a field day over the back wages and the federal government could have a field day over the FICA and Medicare back taxes. With penalties and interest it woulld eat up that 800 million pretty fast. Watchtower would be left with chump change....LOL

  Trump faces two-front legal fight over 'university'

  Donald Trump is being sued by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman for $40 million. The lawsuit claims that the real estate mogul and his 'Trump University' deceived students looking to learn from the billionaire. Trump has denied the charges.

  Kevin McCoy, USA TODAY 9:29 p.m. EDT August 26, 2013

  New York attorney general's charges that Donald Trump and Trump University fleeced students hoping to become real estate investors echoes similar allegations in a California case.

  http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/26/trump-entrepreneur-initiative-case/2700811/